2020 Election Fraud Thread (Part 1)

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

Why do you think the people running the elections would catch it? What investigative expertise do they hold?

Why do you think people who don’t run elections, would know how to find fraud?

Because that’s what fraud investigators do. The FBI has a whole division for investigating fraud.

[Borgia_dude]

@NickN

@westaussie

Given the Australian Constitution does not mention the position of Prime Minister in it, it follows that “prime minister designate” is not mentioned either.

Several leaders of other countries, including Australia, have rung Biden to congratulate him and expressing a desire to work closely with him.

Thanks, as I suspected, President elect here like in Australia Prime Minister-designate is essentially symbolic as well.

That is probably why Biden now often has a cheesy banner behind him when he speaks that reads

“Office of the President Elect”

Go figure how it is still not illegal for most anyone to be projecting victory and even utilizing made up fictitious titles like president elect prematurely.

There is tape of Biden with Wallace promising the American people he would wait until results were “certified” to declare victory.

At least with cigarettes the U.S. Surgeon General requires manufacturers to insert a legal disclaimer on each package so that consumers are forewarned of the risks inhaling tobacco may cause.

And world leaders will most certainly be calling and working closely with Trump when election results become official.

Biden is not doing aunt thing differently than all the presidents before him, including Trump. They all were “Presidents elect” at this time after the election. Now you want to change how they should act after getting elected. Trump certainly didn’t wait for certification.

Normally, we trust the AP has it right.

[westaussie]

Does the corollary also apply that if there is no significant discrepancy there is no need to do hand counts in any state?

What authority does Trump have to order courts to do anything?

[westaussie]

Whilst we are hypothsising if a recount shows fewer votes for Trump does it mean that all states that Trump won should be subject to a hand recount?

[NickN]

@westaussie

Does the corollary also apply that if there is no significant discrepancy there is no need to do hand counts in any state?

What authority does Trump have to order courts to do anything?

Here below I included an informative article on how Georgia got to this place of audit and hand recount:

Georgia audit triggers hand recount of presidential vote

Note in here a new law passed in Georgia in 2019 that gave its Secretary of State discretion to audit any one election with emphasis on oversight for new voting machines/technology being installed in time for this November 3rd cycle.

In addition, although close elections do not automatically mandate a hand recount in Georgia, any candidate trailing by less than 1/2 of 1% of the total population/voter roll will be granted it upon request.

Regarding your 2nd question, Trump like any sitting POTUS currently has access to emergency powers contained in 123 statutory provisions, as recently calculated by the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law. On their website, their is an interesting article by Elizabeth Goitein dated December 12, 2018 highlighting that any President could most certainly declare this or any general election a national emergency at his or hers sole discretion.

One example cited was with the flick of Trump’s pen, certain laws can be activated allowing him to shut down many kinds of electronic communications inside the United States or freeze American bank accounts.

I imagine that Trump could shut down/take over tweeter, google and face book immediately.

Also could freeze monies sitting in the Democratic Party and PAC initiatives too.

Other powers are available even without a declaration of emergency, including laws that allow the president to deploy troops inside the country to subdue domestic unrest.

Esper, the Defense Secretary was fired last week. A clue that if any streets return to rioting, Trump is perfectly within his rights to bring in the militia to quell violence.

So, the authority here for a sitting President here are pretty clear.

Courts could still rule if petitioned that such acts evoked are unlawful or not constitutional.

[JayJay]

Have you ever worked an election in your life?

There’s a reason fraud only occurs at the lowest levels and not in national elections.

It is not, in fact, easy to create tens of thousands of ballots out of thin air.

[JayJay]

@Samm

Prove me wrong.

You made the accusation.

It’s not up to us to prove you wrong.

[Samm]

@JayJay

Have you ever worked an election in your life?

There’s a reason fraud only occurs at the lowest levels and not in national elections.

It is not, in fact, easy to create tens of thousands of ballots out of thin air.

You are missing the obvious. Sophisticated fraud can easily escape the common vigilance of election workers. Yes, they can detect double votes and even votes cast by dead people (if they go to that extra effort) but they cannot , for example, easily spot fabricated voter registration without investigating the legitimacy of each registration. Particularly these days, when voter registration is practically handed out like candy in some states. They also have no way to identify the legitimacy of signers on absentee ballots, or determine if the person who signed the ballot was the individual who completed it. The truth is, those who repeat the mantra “there is no evidence of voter fraud” as the rationale against conducting investigations, are ignoring the fact that it takes investigations to uncover evidence. If you are so confident that no fraud exists, you should welcome investigations to prove it.

[Samm]

@JayJay

@Samm

Prove me wrong.

You made the accusation.

It’s not up to us to prove you wrong.

I made no accusation, I presented a thesis. That thesis is based on the hypothesis that sophisticated fraud can evade the routine scrutiny of election officials. The validation or discrediting of that thesis is the responsibility of those who doubt it.

[Blackwolf]

Spot on

[Samm]

@Blackwolf

Spot on

Absolutely. And in this case bamboozle equals being told over and over and over that no evidence of fraud exists.

[NickN]

@Samm

That thesis is based on the hypothesis that sophisticated fraud can evade the routine scrutiny of election officials. The validation or discrediting of that thesis is the responsibility of those who doubt it.

The Trump Administration being the GOP had at its disposal on election night all kind of eyes on the counts throughout the 50 states. If computer technology rigged the vote and was widespread it will surely be uncovered 1st in Georgia with this hand recount. If their audit reveals Trump won than that surely opens Pandora’s box of systematic voter fraud likely throughout America.

[JayJay]

There were only a couple states where ballots were mailed out without voters asking for them. None of them were important battleground states.

Even most of the states who did this only sent them to voters who had been active the last two election cycles and not everyone.

So no…ballots were not, in fact, being “handed out like candy” in any large numbers.

[Blackwolf]

@Samm

Absolutely. And in this case bamboozle equals being told over and over and over that no evidence of fraud exists.

I’m sure you believe that - fraud on a level that stole the election from Trump.

And corrupt liberal judges that refuse to hear the irrefutable evidence.

[JayJay]

@Blackwolf

@Samm

Absolutely. And in this case bamboozle equals being told over and over and over that no evidence of fraud exists.

I’m sure you believe that - fraud on a level that stole the election from Trump.

And corrupt liberal judges that refuse to hear the irrefutable evidence.

Well Sidney Powell is just getting warmed up…

[NickN]

@Blackwolf

I’m sure you believe that - fraud on a level that stole the election from Trump.

And corrupt liberal judges that refuse to hear the irrefutable evidence.

Most conservatives here go about their lives allowing for the process to legally contest election results in each State to play out. Time will tell if Biden or Trump occupies the White House the next 4 years.

[JayJay]

@NickN

@Blackwolf

I’m sure you believe that - fraud on a level that stole the election from Trump.

And corrupt liberal judges that refuse to hear the irrefutable evidence.

Most conservatives here go about their lives allowing for the process to legally contest election results in each State to play out. Time will tell if Biden or Trump occupies the White House the next 4 years.

We already know how the recount is going in a Georgia because as predicted a Trump supporters are on social media bitching about it.

Trump’s Michigan case with the 234 pages of affidavits? Tossed.

We know who won…just taking a Trump supporters a tad longer to settle into whatever story they will forever believe about how this election was stolen from Trump.

Even a Trump sort of admitted it yesterday.

Amazing how Trump supporters will throw whatever honor they have left away…for Donald Trump.

Just amazing.

[Blackwolf]

Everyone here except Trump loyalists have gone on with their lives after Biden’s victory was confirmed.

Trump’s legal teams are either being laughed out of courtrooms or quitting of their own accord.

Soon all that will be left is the fringe right refusing to ever accept an outcome that isn’t another four years of Trump, and Rudy standing outside a Church’s Fried Chicken holding a sign:

WILL WORK FOR YOUR STORIES OF ELECTION FRAUD

[WildRose]

How exactly is it that DHS has enough agents to place them in every polling location and voting district in the country?

The only thing DHS and CISA can attest to is an apparent lack of cyber attack success and that the necessary measures to help prevent the “hacking of our elections” by outsiders were in place prior to election day.

Neither organization sends out elections monitors to every polling location and precinct in the country.

[NickN]

@WildRose

How exactly is it that DHS has enough agents to place them in every polling location and voting district in the country?

The only thing DHS and CISA can attest to is an apparent lack of cyber attack success and that the necessary measures to help prevent the “hacking of our elections” by outsiders were in place prior to election day.

Neither organization sends out elections monitors to every polling location and precinct in the country.

Liked.