20 Years in Afghanistan for Nothing

First, I do think we stayed too long there. We just wasted blood and treasure.

But…it was under control. There had not been an American death there for nearly 2 years.

WHY just pull out like Biden did? I don’t think anyone will ever trust the US again in a conflict. Why would anyone ever help us when we go to war? The too fast pullout was a disaster in so many ways.

We abandoned tens of thousands of American citizens and those who risked their lives to help us there.

Now the same bunch wants to get into another much more dangerous conflict and escalate it, possibly ending in WWIII, with a regime that has world destruction as one of it’s goals.

Having said that, I don’t want Russia to win, but I don’t want a nuke war either. I doubt we would be in this situation if we didn’t have democrats running the country.

I am not going try to deflect blame from Biden for the problems with our withdraw.
But why is it never included that Trump signed a order for immediate withdraw four days after losing the election? And why isn’t it included that Trump then set a May 1 withdraw order only negotiating with the Taliban and not including our hosts, the Afghanistan Government?

And I agree with you about Ukraine. However I really don’t think that we have to worry about a nuke war.
Putin might be deranged but he IMHO isn’t that crazy.

If Putin feels cornered he just might decide to go out with a bang.

It’s not just how it was handled, the point is the entire attitude and world view. The democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Before that, Bush, a lib lite, started the Iraq war, an absolute disaster. Before he “Liberated” them, there was a thriving Christian community there, now there is basically no Christians there at all. It was an ill advised war to begin with, and it accomplished nothing but blood and loss. It went all the way to ISIS caliphate that had to be eradicated.

At least after 20 years, we did have some level of peace in Afghanistan. We didn’t need to just leave like that. Whatever Trump had planned, we don’t know if he would have just left like that. But, he wasn’t in charge, the democrats had the whole thing. THEY DID WHAT THEY DID. THEY was in charge. The whataboutism of Trump this or that is irrelevant.

Biden has never once been right on foreign policy in his life. Why would he start now? He is weak, crooked, and basically stupid. He needs to step down, but something about president Harris scares me more. She is the dumbest person we ever had in the office of Vice President. Biden is likely the dumbest President we ever had, but he’s a sage compared to her…

Now we have the Taliban back in charge…

On top of it, the RINO’s think all this warmongering is great. They probably think it will get them more dollars. They are probably right. I despise the RINO’s more than Biden or Harris. They are corrupt and sleazy. They think all this is so great, they should strap on a rifle and lead the troops to the front lines. No, they won’t, they will just profit from the blood.

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It’s fun to watch the modern Conservative Party members try to blame the current White House for all the woes of the country as if anyone born before 1980 hasn’t been paying attention.

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Lol coming from the party of Slavery, KKK and Jim Crow and still trying to blame the GOP for it, that is rich.

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We should have kept Bagram. Otherwise leaving was the right move. With equipment and compatriots.

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“Kept Bagram”? Kept it for how long and how?

Trump was going to withdraw but he isn’t the one who decided to withdraw in a way only a Moron would do.

Only a Moron would withdraw the military 1st. Leaving Americans and civilian allies behind as well as a ton of equipment. :roll_eyes:

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Kept it as a war prize and an outpost to monitor and counter the kind of reprisals now happening to collaborators by the Taliban.

How long? As long as the bases in Germany.

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Trump planned on keeping Bagram.

Are you going to go “keep it”?

Then he was a bigger fool than I thought.

The first Marines into Vietnam were sent to “keep” the air base in Da Nang.

The US couldn’t “keep” Bagram long enough to board the planes.

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It was a great training exercise. Tremendous live fire experience. All sorts of intel successfully gathered on how to keep a thumb on the general population of a country, both urban and rural. :wink:

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They could have if they didn’t release it and plan final exit from city airport.

I would fight to keep it to maintain the connection to 911.

You vastly overestimate the capabilities of the US military. How do you picture this “keeping it”? What’s it look like on the ground?

Really - it doesn’t just sit there in a vacuum, and supply/logistics would be constant targets.

Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics.

Think about how much terrain a flight path in MANPAD range covers.

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Plenty was accomplished in Afghanistan if you look at it from the perspective the people who run things in Washington:

The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States, out of the tax bases of Europe, through Afghanistan, and back into the hands of the transnational security elite . . . the goal is to have endless war, not a successful war.

Nice of the Taliban to be so accommodating.

Point made.

The risk reward ratio must not be there to keep a foothold there.

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