1st Amendment and Schools - Punishment for Off Campus Social Media

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T12:40:44.224Z

I’m indifferent to this one.

High school is the time of life when students should be getting prepared for on the job social media policies. Many companies don’t care what’s said off company time just as long as the speaker doesn’t say it as a representative of Company X.

Are identifiers as school attended included in Snapchat? Am really not familiar with this social media platform.

■■■■ the students for engaging in language that makes them look like racist idiots! I hope they lose privileges like their ■■■■■■■■ phones.

Boo ■■■■■■■ hoo!

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T13:38:43.119Z

No it isn’t. The brats must be there, & they should be able to conform to the school’s standards.

Since when does the Constitution apply to minors, anyway? They can’t vote. They can’t get a learner’s permit or work more than 20 hours a week during the school year. They can’t buy booze or cigs or join the Armed Forces, but they can shoot off their mouths any way they want?!

Couple of the local kids claimed the same nonsense when they agitated against another student on one of these platforms—it was just joking among friends.

It didn’t work, nor should it.

zantax · 2021-01-04T13:44:57.646Z

PurpnGold:

DMK:

If it is off school grounds it is none of the school’s business.

What if it is a threat to shoot up the school?

Should be referred to law enforcement. There is a difference between legal speech and criminal threats.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T13:49:05.498Z

They weren’t at school. The school’s standards don’t apply in the home or street.

Did you not read the article in the OP.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T14:07:29.608Z

Sure did.

“Misconduct that occurs off school grounds can be grounds for discipline if it interferes with the learning environment.”

Some of the most racist ass clowns I’ve ever met in my entire life don’t come from Georgia or Florida, but New York, Massachusetts, Michigan.

Oh my, it appears 4/5 of the worst states for black people are in the midwest:

The Root – 6 Nov 14

The 5 Worst States for Black People

Progress, the story of black America.

We have no idea what sort of lives the black students have outside school, or what sort of treatment they face. Maybe comments these students claimed were just “banter between friends” disrupted their learning.

These students need to prepare for the adult workplace, where public and private employers probably don’t even care if they call themselves White Lightning on Stormfront just as long as they don’t embarrass their employers spewing their filth.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T14:09:34.244Z

The local kids weren’t in school, either, when they claimed they were just “joking around” belittling and agitating against another student.

They got in trouble, and they should have.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T14:16:22.327Z

That is fanatical authoritarianism and therefore wrong.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T14:27:12.236Z

It isn’t their privilege to harass or agitate against another student.

A group of police officers in Florida got in trouble for using department only software to track the home address of a particularly attractive female officer.

Wanna try embarrassing a government agency or private employer publishing a nude shot? Or picture of yourself at a Klan rally? See if you’ve still got a job if you’ve listed them as an employer? (Generic “you” here, can apply to anyone reading the post).

As I’ve said, if you don’t list them as an employer, you can call yourself White Lightning on Stormfront & hate away if you don’t do so as a representative of their company.

These students are old enough to be preparing for corporate social media policies & can deal with suspension or mommy & daddy taking away their phones. They earned it embarrassing their parents with their “joking among friends”.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T14:32:09.827Z

The school is the state. Comparing it to private sector employment is apples to zebras. It is not the purview of a high school to “prepare” them for “corporate” anything.

Fanatical authoritarianism.

No different than allowing the state to dictate a dress code in the home or monitoring phone calls.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T15:02:27.870Z

Best case scenario: these kids will mature & regret engaging in such foolishness.

Worst case: future Deryk Schlessinger’s in the making. He seemed to think running diarrhea of the mouth& constipation of the brain about harming civilians in Afghanistan was amusing.

Most likely they’ll end up somewhere between the two extremes. It’s rather disturbing the meanness some try to pass off as “just joking” or “banter among friends.”

JMNSHO

WuWei · 2021-01-04T15:05:22.504Z

Rationalization of fanatical authoritarianism.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T16:00:21.302Z

Not a big defender of the rights of those who aren’t adults.

Sure, they should be treated with their dignity as human beings. They have every right to have their basic needs met.

But they aren’t paying any bills. They can’t vote. They can’t serve without that diploma or G E D. They can’t sign a lease unless they get emancipated minor status. There’s a minimum age in any state to marry. There’s a minimum age to learn to drive a car.

Are any of those “fanatical authoritarianism”, too? Minors even can get an abortion in one state that comes to mind.

I’m supposed to sign off on diarrhea of the mouth that may affect another’s learning? No can do.

Have a nice rest of your day.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T19:36:07.401Z

Janet_Miller:

Not a big defender of the rights of those who aren’t adults.

What could be more necessary.

Janet_Miller:

But they aren’t paying any bills.

Amazing rationalization for fanatical authoritarianism.

They weren’t at school.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T19:53:17.419Z

My kid isn’t free to post such drivel on or off school grounds until she’s an adult and out of my house.

I really don’t give a damn about these Michigan students except to say I hope their parents take away their phones and monitor computers usage.

I’d really be embarrassed to admit someone who considered such talk “joking around with friends” had any relationship to me.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T19:58:49.164Z

And all-of this comes from somebody suspended from FB.

A term I used to describe our RINO Governor goes against their limits.

I’m enjoying my suspension like an adult, not whining about my free speech rights our claiming I was only joking.

I wasn’t. Can’t stand the man, & will be writing in the candidate of my choice.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T20:04:38.840Z

Janet_Miller:

My kid isn’t free to post such drivel on or off school grounds until she’s an adult and out of my house.

Says who?

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T20:07:01.662Z

Says me

I’m her mother. She posts garbage like that, on or off school grounds, the phone goes.

The computer gets monitored

I’m sick of being asked to give unlimited rights to minors.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T20:07:44.777Z

Janet_Miller:

Says me

Not the school? Because this thread is about “says the school”.

Samm · 2021-01-04T22:39:40.689Z

Janet_Miller:

Sure did.

“Misconduct that occurs off school grounds can be grounds for discipline if it interferes with the learning environment.”

Some of the most racist ass clowns I’ve ever met in my entire life don’t come from Georgia or Florida, but New York, Massachusetts, Michigan.

We have no idea what sort of lives the black students have outside school, or what sort of treatment they face. Maybe comments these students claimed were just “banter between friends” disrupted their learning.

These students need to prepare for the adult workplace, where public and private employers probably don’t even care if they call themselves White Lightning on Stormfront just as long as they don’t embarrass their employers spewing their filth.

It would be incumbent on the school administration to show that the kids banter was disruptive of their learning environment. As far as we can see, they did not do that. In fact, the only apparent disruption of the learning environment was when the school suspended the kids.

Samm · 2021-01-04T22:45:54.646Z

Janet_Miller:

My kid isn’t free to post such drivel on or off school grounds until she’s an adult and out of my house.

I really don’t give a damn about these Michigan students except to say I hope their parents take away their phones and monitor computers usage.

I’d really be embarrassed to admit someone who considered such talk “joking around with friends” had any relationship to me.

You’re the parent. You have the authority and prerogative to discipline your kids for misbehavior in and out of school.

However, the school administrators have no authority to punish kids for things they do outside of school time unless it meets the very specific criteria of disruption of the learning environment. In this case, there was no evidence presented to show that such a disruption occurred.