1st Amendment and Schools - Punishment for Off Campus Social Media

Samm · 2021-01-02T22:41:24.012Z

WildRose:

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/define.pdf

Might want to read above.

“ … as evidenced by an observable or substantial change in behavior …”

That was always my goal when I threatened my kids.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2021-01-02T22:41:32.152Z

I can’t speak to specifics because I don’t know what the “zoom case” is, but this is all basically correct.

I wouldn’t place the primacy on common law principles here, though - “civil” criminal law predates the common law by millenia.

wiley8425 · 2021-01-03T00:28:50.635Z

Of course it does. Those courtrooms aren’t private entities.

WuWei · 2021-01-03T00:54:30.665Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

“civil” criminal law predates the common law by millenia.

Interesting. We’ll have to discuss it sometime.

DougBH · 2021-01-03T00:57:54.283Z

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

So we generally know what was said in the social media by these students.

Would we accept being called into the local FBI office and sentenced to 3 days in county jail for this same posts?

What are you thoughts on threats of life.

Like a student posts on social media, off campus, that he will shot up his school tomorrow. Should he be suspended?

Suspended? The police should be over there. That is a police matter, not a school punishment matter. No one is saying that dangerous actions shouldn’t be handled by appropriate authorities…like they should be with people who aren’t in school.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2021-01-03T01:00:33.528Z

Ok. Let me know when.

WuWei · 2021-01-03T01:01:26.623Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

Ok. Let me know when.

Any time you want to start the thread.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2021-01-03T01:03:44.927Z

Hmm. Starting threads is not my style.

In the 13 or so years I’ve been posting here, I doubt I’ve started more than 25 or so threads.

I’ll think about it.

conan · 2021-01-03T02:59:49.964Z

PurpnGold:

That’s your opinion.

And there it is.

conan · 2021-01-03T03:02:33.512Z

Maybe for certain people…

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T12:40:44.224Z

I’m indifferent to this one.

High school is the time of life when students should be getting prepared for on the job social media policies. Many companies don’t care what’s said off company time just as long as the speaker doesn’t say it as a representative of Company X.

Are identifiers as school attended included in Snapchat? Am really not familiar with this social media platform.

■■■■ the students for engaging in language that makes them look like racist idiots! I hope they lose privileges like their ■■■■■■■■ phones.

Boo ■■■■■■■ hoo!

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T13:38:43.119Z

No it isn’t. The brats must be there, & they should be able to conform to the school’s standards.

Since when does the Constitution apply to minors, anyway? They can’t vote. They can’t get a learner’s permit or work more than 20 hours a week during the school year. They can’t buy booze or cigs or join the Armed Forces, but they can shoot off their mouths any way they want?!

Couple of the local kids claimed the same nonsense when they agitated against another student on one of these platforms—it was just joking among friends.

It didn’t work, nor should it.

zantax · 2021-01-04T13:44:57.646Z

PurpnGold:

DMK:

If it is off school grounds it is none of the school’s business.

What if it is a threat to shoot up the school?

Should be referred to law enforcement. There is a difference between legal speech and criminal threats.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T13:49:05.498Z

They weren’t at school. The school’s standards don’t apply in the home or street.

Did you not read the article in the OP.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T14:07:29.608Z

Sure did.

“Misconduct that occurs off school grounds can be grounds for discipline if it interferes with the learning environment.”

Some of the most racist ass clowns I’ve ever met in my entire life don’t come from Georgia or Florida, but New York, Massachusetts, Michigan.

Oh my, it appears 4/5 of the worst states for black people are in the midwest:

The Root – 6 Nov 14

The 5 Worst States for Black People

Progress, the story of black America.

We have no idea what sort of lives the black students have outside school, or what sort of treatment they face. Maybe comments these students claimed were just “banter between friends” disrupted their learning.

These students need to prepare for the adult workplace, where public and private employers probably don’t even care if they call themselves White Lightning on Stormfront just as long as they don’t embarrass their employers spewing their filth.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T14:09:34.244Z

The local kids weren’t in school, either, when they claimed they were just “joking around” belittling and agitating against another student.

They got in trouble, and they should have.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T14:16:22.327Z

That is fanatical authoritarianism and therefore wrong.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T14:27:12.236Z

It isn’t their privilege to harass or agitate against another student.

A group of police officers in Florida got in trouble for using department only software to track the home address of a particularly attractive female officer.

Wanna try embarrassing a government agency or private employer publishing a nude shot? Or picture of yourself at a Klan rally? See if you’ve still got a job if you’ve listed them as an employer? (Generic “you” here, can apply to anyone reading the post).

As I’ve said, if you don’t list them as an employer, you can call yourself White Lightning on Stormfront & hate away if you don’t do so as a representative of their company.

These students are old enough to be preparing for corporate social media policies & can deal with suspension or mommy & daddy taking away their phones. They earned it embarrassing their parents with their “joking among friends”.

WuWei · 2021-01-04T14:32:09.827Z

The school is the state. Comparing it to private sector employment is apples to zebras. It is not the purview of a high school to “prepare” them for “corporate” anything.

Fanatical authoritarianism.

No different than allowing the state to dictate a dress code in the home or monitoring phone calls.

Janet_Miller · 2021-01-04T15:02:27.870Z

Best case scenario: these kids will mature & regret engaging in such foolishness.

Worst case: future Deryk Schlessinger’s in the making. He seemed to think running diarrhea of the mouth& constipation of the brain about harming civilians in Afghanistan was amusing.

Most likely they’ll end up somewhere between the two extremes. It’s rather disturbing the meanness some try to pass off as “just joking” or “banter among friends.”

JMNSHO