18 U.S. Code § 2071

WorldWatcher · 2020-02-07T15:58:30.508Z

monkeysaunt:

Yes, it’s an official copy. It was signed and handed to her and she ripped it. At the very least, she should be censured.

Censured for what? According to the House Rule VII, it was her personal property.

People aren’t allowed to rip their personal papers in two now?

“(b) Records created, generated, or received by the congressional office of a Member, Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner in the performance of official duties are exclusively the personal property of the individual Member, Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner and such Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner has control over such records.”

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Weedhopper · 2020-02-07T15:59:07.479Z

If she is censored will that stop her from pushing any more impeachment garbage?

monkeysaunt · 2020-02-07T16:00:22.501Z

So he didn’t shake her hand, she destroys a piece of our history…is that what we want from our elected officials? Where does it end? If each person exacerbates or one ups the others actions, where does it end? For goodness sake, we’ve sat through an entire Presidency with our House being embroiled in one personal attack after another, at some point we should all be saying “ENOUGH”. I don’t care who started it, I just want it stopped. I don’t care that he didn’t shake her hand, I don’t care that she didn’t announce him properly, she destroyed a piece of MY history because she had to have the last word. ENOUGH.

JayJay · 2020-02-07T16:14:24.070Z

monkeysaunt:

Yes, it’s an official copy. It was signed and handed to her and she ripped it. At the very least, she should be censured. The only way to put an end to this divisiveness is for the House to get control of it’s members and put an end to the lack of decorum, dignity and civility. As an former elected official, I had heated interactions but no one was ever allowed to be disrespectful. I’m shocked this is being allowed without consequence and encouraged. There has to be boundaries, and as long as the boundaries are crossed without consequence, if even basic civility isn’t being enforced, we all lose.

It’s all on the Democratic House?

The President, the Senate and GOP House members have no accountability here?

I’m sorry…there were many crossings of the line of civility long before Pelosi tore the document (not to mention the new scandal that she pre-tore it to make it more dramatic at the end and reduce the risk of failure).

conan · 2020-02-07T16:23:55.456Z

JayJay:

(not to mention the new scandal that she pre-tore it to make it more dramatic at the end and reduce the risk of failure).

Scandal? Are you saying our eyes are deceiving us? Seriously?

monkeysaunt · 2020-02-07T16:26:45.828Z

I don’t care who started it, don’t know how to be more clear on that point. It’s time to say ENOUGH and enforce consequences if no one is able to follow simple rules of dignified behavior, respect and civility.

monkeysaunt · 2020-02-07T16:29:03.504Z

That document becomes part of the record, it’s handed to the speaker who then puts it in the National Archives. It’s not a personal paper.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-02-07T16:31:51.798Z

No, that’s not how it works.

The White House is responsible for turning over a copy of the speech to the Archives, not the Speaker.

The copy Pelosi ripped was just her personal copy.

WorldWatcher · 2020-02-07T16:37:54.661Z

monkeysaunt:

That document becomes part of the record, it’s handed to the speaker who then puts it in the National Archives. It’s not a personal paper.

Nope. The official copy would be provided to the House of Representatives Clerk and a transcript recorded from the actual floor speech (since you know sometimes politicians go off script) would be entered into the record.

According to House Rule VII (as previously quoted and linked) the copy that Trump handed her is her personal copy.
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WorldWatcher · 2020-02-07T16:40:26.776Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

No, that’s not how it works.

The White House is responsible for turning over a copy of the speech to the Archives, not the Speaker.

The copy Pelosi ripped was just her personal copy.

I’ve used the term “House Clerk”, would you happen to know the official title of the individual responsible for receiving such communications from the White House to the House?

I’m assuming that the document is recorded in two or three places such as: White House official correspondence, House of Representatives Congressional Record, and National Archives (who probably have written and video copies).
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LucyLou · 2020-02-07T16:41:29.132Z

monkeysaunt:

Yes, it’s an official copy. It was signed and handed to her and she ripped it. At the very least, she should be censured. The only way to put an end to this divisiveness is for the House to get control of it’s members and put an end to the lack of decorum, dignity and civility. As an former elected official, I had heated interactions but no one was ever allowed to be disrespectful. I’m shocked this is being allowed without consequence and encouraged. There has to be boundaries, and as long as the boundaries are crossed without consequence, if even basic civility isn’t being enforced, we all lose.

Lol boundaries crossed.

LucyLou · 2020-02-07T16:42:58.388Z

As our president likes to say, ■■■■■■■■■■■

pam95650 · 2020-02-07T16:44:53.023Z

Too bad you feel that way, because what Nancy ripped apart was a COPY. The original document is still preserved for the National Archives.

Matt Gaetz is trying to get on the good side of Idiot Boy since he voted to curtail presidential war powers.

WorldWatcher · 2020-02-07T16:48:33.220Z

monkeysaunt:

I don’t care who started it, don’t know how to be more clear on that point. It’s time to say ENOUGH and enforce consequences if no one is able to follow simple rules of dignified behavior, respect and civility.

… unless it’s Trump, he is “The Chosen One”, he can do and say anything he wants.
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pam95650 · 2020-02-07T16:51:47.521Z

oh pleeze, Don’t talk civility when you’ve got an ignorant ■■■■■■■ as a president who demeans folks and ■■■■■ all over the Constitution on a daily basis.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-02-07T16:59:51.930Z

WorldWatcher:

I’ve used the term “House Clerk”, would you happen to know the official title of the individual responsible for receiving such communications from the White House to the House?

You had it right.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Clerk of the United States House of Representatives

The clerk of the United States House of Representatives is an officer of the United States House of Representatives, whose primary duty is to act as the chief record-keeper for the House. Along with the other House officers, the clerk is elected every two years when the House organizes for a new Congress. The majority and minority caucuses nominate candidates for the House officer positions after the election of the Speaker. The full House adopts a resolution to elect the officers, who will be...

WorldWatcher:

I’m assuming that the document is recorded in two or three places such as: White House official correspondence, House of Representatives Congressional Record, and National Archives (who probably have written and video copies).

It’ll be in the Congressional Record (they’ll probably get a written copy, as well a transcript from the floor), and the White House is required to provide a copy to the Archives as well, under the Presidential Records Act. The Archives may also keep a video.

There are probably more places it’ll end up.

JayJay · 2020-02-07T17:14:08.071Z

monkeysaunt:

I don’t care who started it, don’t know how to be more clear on that point. It’s time to say ENOUGH and enforce consequences if no one is able to follow simple rules of dignified behavior, respect and civility.

“I don’t care who started it, but its’ the Dems’ responsibility to stop it”.

This is pretty much what you said.

Take out the beam from your own eye before noticing the speck in the other’s.

People who support Donald Trump but complain about the lack of civility in politics haven’t got a leg to stand on.

So how would we enforce consequences on the President when he’s not civil?

Especially this President who has pretty much shown he’ll laugh off any consequences…because his base loves it when he acts uncivilly. They call it “being a straight shooter”.

tnt · 2020-02-07T17:27:23.699Z

Once again, conservatives accusing Dems of that of which their messiah is guilty.

POLITICO

Meet the guys who tape Trump's papers back together

The president's unofficial 'filing system' involves tearing up documents into pieces, even when they're supposed to be preserved.

Demon · 2020-02-07T17:28:39.058Z

So you don’t care that he didn’t shake her hand and was very rude, but you’re upset that she tore up a COPY of the speech? If you want it to end, hold Trump accountable for being rude.

Demon · 2020-02-07T17:29:08.559Z

Just wondering when we’re supposed to hear about these. Again.