15 dead, including 14 children, in Texas elementary school mass shooting

WuWei · 2022-05-27T13:09:11.616Z

SottoVoce:

Yes. A death requires both a person to die and a cause. Take away the person and there is no death. A town with a population of zero has no motor vehicle, firearm or deaths of any cause. It has a death rate of zero.

Right. Take away the perpetrator and there is no crime nor victim.

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T13:11:18.634Z

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

Yes. A death requires both a person to die and a cause. Take away the person and there is no death. A town with a population of zero has no motor vehicle, firearm or deaths of any cause. It has a death rate of zero.

Right. Take away the perpetrator and there is no crime nor victim.

Every death is a crime with a perpetrator and victim?

WuWei · 2022-05-27T13:11:38.102Z

Now, here’s a bit of truth for all you "whu bout other dEvElOped CoUntRIEs?

Mass shootings get the most attention, but they account for tiny fraction of total gun deaths in the U.S., data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show. Among the nation’s 36,252 firearms-related fatalities in 2015, 61% were suicides and most of the rest were ordinary homicides.

Neither of those kinds of deaths actually fell in Australia as a result of the National Firearms Agreement, researchers reported Tuesday in the American Journal of Public Health.

Los Angeles Times – 26 Sep 18

Why Australia's famed gun control laws probably wouldn't reduce shooting...

On a spring day in the Tasmanian town of Port Arthur, a lone gunman shot an elderly couple at the inn they owned, 22 diners lunching at a nearby tourist spot, two tour bus drivers and several of their passengers, four occupants of a BMW, and two...

You feel you’re going to take my right because of suicides?

WuWei · 2022-05-27T13:12:24.445Z

SottoVoce:

Every death is a crime with a perpetrator and victim?

What? Are you trying to prevent death?

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T13:21:03.003Z

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

Every death is a crime with a perpetrator and victim?

What? Are you trying to prevent death?

Of course. Cancer deaths, infectious disease deaths, motor vehicle deaths, firearm deaths. All of them. If you want to discuss death from “natural causes” that’s a different conversation. And no, firearm death is not “natural causes.”

PurpnGold · 2022-05-27T13:24:22.260Z

SixFoot:

PurpnGold:

Samm:

PurpnGold:

Samm:

Orygun:

SixFoot:

0.001% chance of a mass shooting happening at your school today.

There was a .003 % chance of dying in WWII. 420,000 deaths/132,000,000

That was no biggie too.

0.32% Math is not your strong point.

You are actually wrong lol

What do you think the answer is?

.003% like he said lol.

Weren’t you an engineer?

I was gonna let @Orygun 's bad math slide since he’s had a hard enough time carrying that water, but then @PurpnGold wanted to show the class that a generic computer nerd can’t get it right either:

420,000 / 132,000,000

=

0.0031818181818182

Now, you multiply that by 100 to get the percentage (they teach this to elementary students who actually pay attention to basic math):

=

0.318%

That rounds up to 0.32%

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These are the same “educated” types who want a say in your right to bear arms, folks.

Yep. I concede I was wrong. Sometimes I forget that last step. @Samm my bad too.

WuWei · 2022-05-27T13:36:04.329Z

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

Every death is a crime with a perpetrator and victim?

What? Are you trying to prevent death?

Of course. Cancer deaths, infectious disease deaths, motor vehicle deaths, firearm deaths. All of them. If you want to discuss death from “natural causes” that’s a different conversation. And no, firearm death is not “natural causes.”

Amazing.

Cancer and infectious diseases are not natural causes? Bats aren’t natural?

What do all your other wants have in common?

Are you trying to not die or live?

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T13:44:43.756Z

If you don’t want them then sell them.

In todays market you’d sell them in about five minutes after listing.

WuWei · 2022-05-27T13:45:00.739Z

twitter.com

President Biden

@POTUS

The idea that an 18-year-old can walk into a store and buy assault weapons is just wrong. What in God’s name do you need an assault weapon for except to kill someone?

3:18 PM - 25 May 2022 300K 36K

WuWei · 2022-05-27T13:49:19.613Z

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

More than willing to add semiautomatic 30-06’s to the assault style category.

We’ll disarm you. You’re 1st.

I’m down to a handgun passed down by a family member and an AR-15 given to me as a gift. I’d love a legal excuse to get rid of the AR-15 so I wouldn’t upset the one who gave it to me since they ask me about it and occasionally ask me to fire it with them. It otherwise remains disassembled and locked away. The handgun is kept in the same manner. I won’t miss it.

Did you have a background check and 4473 on either? Tax stamp?

I’ll send somebody around to pick them both up today. We’re going to disarm you because somebody did something bad somewhere.

You’re more concerned about your friends feelings than saving the children?

Guvnah · 2022-05-27T14:01:58.330Z

SottoVoce:

TheRedComet:

Not a single one of these restrictions would have stopped this most recent ■■■■ head. Except for his age. But oh wait, he could just go buy an M1A.

Hmmm…

SottoVoce:

Expand tax stamp to all “assault style” weapons with minimum age of 21.

How old was Salvador Ramos? Who bought the firearms he used?

Not “a single one” would have stopped it, except for the one that would have.

You can’t claim that would have stopped him. It simply would have limited the firearm he used.

That was already pointed out to you earlier. Ignoring that fact won’t change it.

JimmyC · 2022-05-27T14:02:51.470Z

thinkingman:

good guy with a gun

in this case the guy is a woman

Police: Woman killed man who fired rifle into party crowd | AP News

how thankful are we for being able to defend ourselves huh?

Nice, the good guys won one. Also in the last 24 hours -

https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/bystander-shot-spanaway-homicide-17400-pacific-avenue-south/281-15484e92-66f2-46bd-8b79-5a28dd129811

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Quail-Street-homicide-being-investigated-17201502.php

WTOP News – 27 May 22

Teenage boy killed in Southeast DC shooting - WTOP News

A 16-year-old Maryland boy has been killed in a shooting in Southeast D.C.

WAVY.com

5 shot, 2 killed in 3 separate Virginia Beach shootings in 6-hour span

WAVY reports.

WLWT – 4 Jul 22

Victim identified, suspect arrested in deadly shooting at Walmart in...

A person has died and another was injured in a shooting at a Walmart in Fairfield Township Thursday evening.

https://www.wltx.com/article/news/local/street-squad/sumter/sumter-police-identify-man-shot-vacant-home-thursday/101-faa2194c-3df7-4944-9103-a179bd8e197e

WTAE – 26 May 22

Father of two shot, killed in Washington County; suspect identified after...

The suspect, identified as 52-year-old Bryce Tacy, eventually surrendered and was taken into custody. State police are handling the investigation.

https://www.firstalert4.com – 27 May 22

Man shot, killed in Jennings neighborhood identified

A vehicle pulled up to a group of people sitting outside Thursday evening and opened fire, killing one person, police said.

FOX 5 Atlanta

Woman killed in DeKalb County shooting, suspect in custody

DEADLY DEKALB SHOOTING: Police have a person in custody for the deadly shooting of a woman on Autumn Circle in DeKalb County Wednesday night.

Guvnah · 2022-05-27T14:07:02.941Z

TheRedComet:

You’re once again assuming I’m ok with any one being murdered for any reason.

I’m not ok with anyone being murdered. How many times do I need to say that?

Libs know you’re not OK with it. They know it, but they repeat it anyway. Maybe it’s for internet points. Or something.

Orygun · 2022-05-27T14:09:38.148Z

twitter.com

President Biden

@POTUS

The idea that an 18-year-old can walk into a store and buy assault weapons is just wrong. What in God’s name do you need an assault weapon for except to kill someone?

3:18 PM - 25 May 2022 300K 36K

True…

Orygun · 2022-05-27T14:12:39.109Z

Oh my fault- hadn’t thought of the feral pigs.

…

“I’m law abiding, I’ve never done anything, I use it to kill feral pigs. The action of a criminal deprives me of my right,” the senator said.

Business Insider

Sen. Bill Cassidy claims people need AR-15s to defend themselves from 'feral...

"If you talk to the people that own it, killing feral pigs in ... Louisiana. They'll wonder: 'Why would you take it away from me?'" said Cassidy.

Orygun · 2022-05-27T14:13:46.522Z

NRA convention tonight in Texas. Should be some good clips!

SixFoot · 2022-05-27T14:14:22.108Z

Holy crap, look at how galactically stupid and ignorant the President of the United States is when it comes to firearms.

A true (R)etar(D) at the helm.

JimmyC · 2022-05-27T14:15:22.812Z

WuWei:

Now, here’s a bit of truth for all you "whu bout other dEvElOped CoUntRIEs?

Mass shootings get the most attention, but they account for tiny fraction of total gun deaths in the U.S., data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show. Among the nation’s 36,252 firearms-related fatalities in 2015, 61% were suicides and most of the rest were ordinary homicides.

Neither of those kinds of deaths actually fell in Australia as a result of the National Firearms Agreement, researchers reported Tuesday in the American Journal of Public Health.

They attributed the drop in homicides to the gun control laws passed in 1991

In addition, the Australian Institute of Criminology developed gun control policies that were adopted in 1991 — five years before the NFA.

“It is likely that these more comprehensive and detailed 1991 changes played a greater role in reducing firearms-related suicide and homicide than did the NFA, which was implemented solely for the purpose of eliminating mass shootings,” Gilmour and his colleagues wrote.

Orygun · 2022-05-27T14:17:27.025Z

Arm the teachers! Arm the janitors! Arm everyone!! Then the children will be safe.

Yahoo News

NRA speakers unshaken on gun rights after school massacre

One by one, they took the stage at the National Rifle Association’s annual convention in Houston and denounced the massacre of 19 students and two teachers at an elementary school across the state. “The existence of evil in our world is not a reason...

Guvnah · 2022-05-27T14:18:23.900Z

Orygun:

Should be some good clips!

Or magazines.