15 dead, including 14 children, in Texas elementary school mass shooting

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T06:07:56.211Z

TheRedComet:

Depends on how you define assault weapon.

It’s certainly not an “assault rifle” as it lacks selective fire capability.

The DDM4 V7 AR15 style firearm features M-LOK attachment technology with the Daniel Defense MFR 15.0 rail. Built around a Cold Hammer Forged, 16 inch barrel, the V7 has a DD improved Flash Suppressor to reduce flash signature. The mid-length gas system provides smooth and reliable cycling under any condition and reduces both perceived recoil and wear on moving parts. With the M-LOK attachment points that run along 7 positions and an uninterrupted 1913 Picatinny rail on top, the V7 has plenty of room for the sights, optics, and accessories the user may require. The independently ambi GRIP-N-RIP Charging Handle accommodates left- and right-handed shooters. This rifle also comes with the ergonomic Daniel Defense Buttstock and Pistol Grip.

Definitely not assault style. Just AR15 style.

Samm · 2022-05-27T06:12:06.995Z

SottoVoce:

TheRedComet:

Hmm… the study classified “children” as 19 years old and below. That’s interesting. They grouped children and adolescents together.

When you look at the rampant murder plaguing the inner cities… what are the age of the people doing the murder and being the victims of said murder?

Gangbangers mostly killing other gangbangers. The age ranges from 14 up to about 27 or 28 years old. Guys who make it that long tend to “age” out of street duty. But a signficant portion of them are under 20.

I wonder why that wasn’t brought up in the CDC report?

That’s the spirit. Firearms are the leading cause of death in those 1-19 but question the use of “children” or make some weird reference to gangbangers. I guess it’s not so bad if an adolescent (age 10-19) dies from a firearm. That’s the argument?

If you are the age of 1-19 in this country, you are more likely to die of a bullet than literally anything else. Unbelievable people will find a way to be OK with it.

On the bright side, nothing proves a country’s right to keep and bear arms is alive and well than when firearms are the leading cause of it’s children and adolescent deaths.

No … Gunshot is the leading cause of death in those ages 1-19. In each of those instances, there was a person involved in initiating the gunshot.

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T06:14:11.980Z

TheRedComet:

Beef up school security. Enforce existing firearms laws.

The big one is reforming mental health care in this country. Based on what’s been coming out about this kid, he needed serious mental help years ago.

What will beefing up school security do to help all those children/adolescents killed by guns outside of school?

Mental health is great. How will that relate to guns? Right now mental health assessments are typically voluntary and have to be performed before someone has access to or can use a firearm. Mandatory routine mental health exams for everyone? Just for gun buyers/owners or for everyone? Who does the assessment? How do they determine if you can or can’t have a gun? Why would someone with a mental illness willingly submit to an evaluation which could prevent then from owning a gun? Do those with mental illness have the insight to be assessed for mental illness?

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T06:15:06.831Z

Samm:

SottoVoce:

TheRedComet:

Hmm… the study classified “children” as 19 years old and below. That’s interesting. They grouped children and adolescents together.

When you look at the rampant murder plaguing the inner cities… what are the age of the people doing the murder and being the victims of said murder?

Gangbangers mostly killing other gangbangers. The age ranges from 14 up to about 27 or 28 years old. Guys who make it that long tend to “age” out of street duty. But a signficant portion of them are under 20.

I wonder why that wasn’t brought up in the CDC report?

That’s the spirit. Firearms are the leading cause of death in those 1-19 but question the use of “children” or make some weird reference to gangbangers. I guess it’s not so bad if an adolescent (age 10-19) dies from a firearm. That’s the argument?

If you are the age of 1-19 in this country, you are more likely to die of a bullet than literally anything else. Unbelievable people will find a way to be OK with it.

On the bright side, nothing proves a country’s right to keep and bear arms is alive and well than when firearms are the leading cause of it’s children and adolescent deaths.

No … Gunshot is the leading cause of death in those ages 1-19. In each of those instances, there was a person involved in initiating the gunshot.

The interesting thing is that logic makes sense to some.

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T06:15:49.608Z

So basically like any other modern semi-automatic modular rifle. Anything from the AR family to modern Kalashnikovs, Ruger Mini-14 Tacticals, SiG Virtus, or the Galil Ace family.

MLOK is for mounting accessories such as flashlights, laser targeting systems, side grips, etc. Picatinny rails are for mounting optical sights. And considering that many modular rifles lack iron sights today, you can mount flip up iron sights as well.

There’s nothing “exceptional” about that. Many hunting rifles and home defense shotguns come with MLOK brackets and Picatinny rails. My shotgun has a Picarinny rail for mounting optics.

PurpnGold · 2022-05-27T06:20:54.669Z

Samm:

PurpnGold:

Samm:

Orygun:

SixFoot:

0.001% chance of a mass shooting happening at your school today.

There was a .003 % chance of dying in WWII. 420,000 deaths/132,000,000

That was no biggie too.

0.32% Math is not your strong point.

You are actually wrong lol

What do you think the answer is?

.003% like he said lol.

Weren’t you an engineer?

PurpnGold · 2022-05-27T06:22:59.035Z

SottoVoce:

Samm:

SottoVoce:

TheRedComet:

Hmm… the study classified “children” as 19 years old and below. That’s interesting. They grouped children and adolescents together.

When you look at the rampant murder plaguing the inner cities… what are the age of the people doing the murder and being the victims of said murder?

Gangbangers mostly killing other gangbangers. The age ranges from 14 up to about 27 or 28 years old. Guys who make it that long tend to “age” out of street duty. But a signficant portion of them are under 20.

I wonder why that wasn’t brought up in the CDC report?

That’s the spirit. Firearms are the leading cause of death in those 1-19 but question the use of “children” or make some weird reference to gangbangers. I guess it’s not so bad if an adolescent (age 10-19) dies from a firearm. That’s the argument?

If you are the age of 1-19 in this country, you are more likely to die of a bullet than literally anything else. Unbelievable people will find a way to be OK with it.

On the bright side, nothing proves a country’s right to keep and bear arms is alive and well than when firearms are the leading cause of it’s children and adolescent deaths.

No … Gunshot is the leading cause of death in those ages 1-19. In each of those instances, there was a person involved in initiating the gunshot.

The interesting thing is that logic makes sense to some.

But interestingly, the leading cause of death among children is not knifes, swords, belts, fists etc.

But the person is the only problem… ok buddy

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T06:23:13.402Z

Considering the inner city, where most of those lives are tragically lost, you need to solve the problems in the inner city poverty ridden communities first. Most of those shootings involve stolen firearms bought off of the black market. And very few are rifles. It’s mostly handguns.

And you’re not wrong on the second point. It’s extremely complicated and I don’t have the answer for that. It’s beyond me.

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T06:25:19.452Z

Technically the person doing the shooting is the problem.

Absent the person, a gun isn’t going to do anything.

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T06:26:03.482Z

TheRedComet:

So basically like any other modern semi-automatic modular rifle. Anything from the AR family to modern Kalashnikovs, Ruger Mini-14 Tacticals, SiG Virtus, or the Galil Ace family.

MLOK is for mounting accessories such as flashlights, laser targeting systems, side grips, etc. Picatinny rails are for mounting optical sights. And considering that many modular rifles lack iron sights today, you can mount flip up iron sights as well.

There’s nothing “exceptional” about that. Many hunting rifles and home defense shotguns come with MLOK brackets and Picatinny rails. My shotgun has a Picarinny rail for mounting optics.

Does your shotgun fire 5.56mm rounds and have a 32 round capacity which can be emptied in seconds? How about your hunting rifle?

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T06:29:12.071Z

The Hunting rifle is chambered in 30-06 (which is significantly more powerful and more lethal than .223) and has a detachable box magazine. The ones I use are ten rounders, but I can get 20 rounders if I wanted to. It’s semi automatic and with the adrenaline flowing, you can fire it just as fast as an AR-15 or Galil. Your shoulder isn’t going to feel great afterwards, but it can be done.

The shotgun is chambered in 12 gauge and has a very smooth pump action. You can empty the tube very fast with it. Not semi automatic fast, but it’s a shotgun so the damage to tissue is appalling when loaded with 00 buckshot. I’d much rather be shot by a .223 rifle; much higher chance of survival. It loads 8+1 shells, but I could get an extended tube magazine that increases the capacity to about 13+1 if I desired to.

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That’s a comparison of .22LR, .223 (or 5.56 NATO), and 30-06. Which one do you think leaves the more appalling wounds and is more likely to drop a target the fastest.

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T06:30:19.095Z

PurpnGold:

SottoVoce:

Samm:

SottoVoce:

TheRedComet:

Hmm… the study classified “children” as 19 years old and below. That’s interesting. They grouped children and adolescents together.

When you look at the rampant murder plaguing the inner cities… what are the age of the people doing the murder and being the victims of said murder?

Gangbangers mostly killing other gangbangers. The age ranges from 14 up to about 27 or 28 years old. Guys who make it that long tend to “age” out of street duty. But a signficant portion of them are under 20.

I wonder why that wasn’t brought up in the CDC report?

That’s the spirit. Firearms are the leading cause of death in those 1-19 but question the use of “children” or make some weird reference to gangbangers. I guess it’s not so bad if an adolescent (age 10-19) dies from a firearm. That’s the argument?

If you are the age of 1-19 in this country, you are more likely to die of a bullet than literally anything else. Unbelievable people will find a way to be OK with it.

On the bright side, nothing proves a country’s right to keep and bear arms is alive and well than when firearms are the leading cause of it’s children and adolescent deaths.

No … Gunshot is the leading cause of death in those ages 1-19. In each of those instances, there was a person involved in initiating the gunshot.

The interesting thing is that logic makes sense to some.

But interestingly, the leading cause of death among children is not knifes, swords, belts, fists etc.

But the person is the only problem… ok buddy

Yeah

Motor vehicles aren’t the cause of death in motor vehicle accidents. Somebody had to drive them.
Water isn’t the cause of death in drowning. Somebody had to put their face underwater.
Electricity isn’t the cause of death in electrocution. Somebody had to make contact with the electricity.
Firearms aren’t the cause of death in firearm deaths. Somebody had to use the firearm.

It all makes perfect sense.

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T06:40:32.840Z

More than willing to add semiautomatic 30-06’s to the assault style category.

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T06:44:14.147Z

Even the ones with internal magazines of five rounds loaded with stripper clips?

What makes an assault weapon an assault weapon in your view?

Because you could argue that a six shot .357 revolver with a speed loader is an assault weapon.

Hell what about semi-automatic shotguns? Like I said earlier, I’d rather be shot with a .223 than a 12 gauge loaded with 00 buckshot. Rifles put holes through targets. Shotguns tear chunks out of targets. Much easier to save a person wounded by a rifle than it is to save someone who ate buckshot at 15-25 yards.

Where I’m going with this is simple. What is an assault style weapon? And what key features make it an assault style weapon?

zantax · 2022-05-27T06:52:40.982Z

TommyLucchese:

TheRedComet:

In the western world? No we have the most.

Worldwide… you’re much safer here than in Mexico.

I’m just saying it’s unsolvable. Every other major country has this exact same high level of gun violence so there’s clearly no solution. If there was someone would have done it.

Sure, all you have to do is give up the right to self defense.

zantax · 2022-05-27T06:57:14.900Z

SottoVoce:

TheRedComet:

So basically like any other modern semi-automatic modular rifle. Anything from the AR family to modern Kalashnikovs, Ruger Mini-14 Tacticals, SiG Virtus, or the Galil Ace family.

MLOK is for mounting accessories such as flashlights, laser targeting systems, side grips, etc. Picatinny rails are for mounting optical sights. And considering that many modular rifles lack iron sights today, you can mount flip up iron sights as well.

There’s nothing “exceptional” about that. Many hunting rifles and home defense shotguns come with MLOK brackets and Picatinny rails. My shotgun has a Picarinny rail for mounting optics.

Does your shotgun fire 5.56mm rounds and have a 32 round capacity which can be emptied in seconds? How about your hunting rifle?

Some nifty auto shotguns out there

PurpnGold · 2022-05-27T07:05:38.471Z

zantax:

TommyLucchese:

TheRedComet:

In the western world? No we have the most.

Worldwide… you’re much safer here than in Mexico.

I’m just saying it’s unsolvable. Every other major country has this exact same high level of gun violence so there’s clearly no solution. If there was someone would have done it.

Sure, all you have to do is give up the right to self defense.

Correction… the right to self defense with a gun.

You still have that right whether guns exist or not

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T07:07:09.237Z

The TS12 is a pretty nifty semi auto shotgun.

Has a three tube bullpup design and loads a total of 15 shells. But it’s not much longer than a Mossberg Shockwave. Once you empty a tube, you simply roll the tube assembly to the next tube.

Only problem is the price. 1400 bucks.

Camp · 2022-05-27T08:59:33.502Z

Helped bad guy.

NJBob · 2022-05-27T09:04:09.892Z

Quite the opposite, but you do you.

Only by building consensus will there be any progress.