15 dead, including 14 children, in Texas elementary school mass shooting

Samm · 2022-05-27T04:53:31.145Z

Scratch:

Samm:

What’s different?

The country or govt wasn’t a guarantee at the time…

What? You mean there is a government guarantee? Why didn’t anyone tell me?

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T04:58:00.426Z

TheRedComet:

More people are killed by distracted and inebriated driving every single year than all firearms murders combined. Including children. It’s not even close.

Let’s ban alcohol, vehicles, and texting if we are going to do what is necessary to save lives.

Wrong. Firearms are the leading cause of death of children. More than motor vehicle accidents, cancer, drug overdoses. More than anything. By all means, continue to believe the leading cause of death in children is no big deal. Guns are precious.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:03:40.030Z

Orygun:

SixFoot:

0.001% chance of a mass shooting happening at your school today.

There was a .003 % chance of dying in WWII. 420,000 deaths/132,000,000

That was no biggie too.

0.32% Math is not your strong point.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:06:39.944Z

Kelby:

WuWei:

Orygun:

Smyrna:

Really? In what other country is this taking place?

Nope. Thats still not what is causing mass shootings. Trust me.

What is causing them?

Combat style, semi-automatic rifles.

Just throwing that out there.

Do you have a video of one of these combat style guns shooting someone that you could post? Or for that matter, simply shooting at all?

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:12:13.499Z

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

Gun rights will be expanded.

Kind of hard to expand “shall not be infringed”

You could allow 8 year olds to buy and own a gun.

I could. If it’s my 8 year old. You want the state raising your children too or just mine?

Are suggesting getting rid of age limits?

What age limit? As I said before (which you ignored,) 8-yr-olds can own guns.

PurpnGold · 2022-05-27T05:13:31.202Z

Samm:

Orygun:

SixFoot:

0.001% chance of a mass shooting happening at your school today.

There was a .003 % chance of dying in WWII. 420,000 deaths/132,000,000

That was no biggie too.

0.32% Math is not your strong point.

You are actually wrong lol

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:13:36.921Z

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

PurpnGold:

Are suggesting getting rid of age limits?

Do they work?

How many under aged mass shooters have there been?

Plenty of them in your lib run big cities. They just don’t get much media attention because they are not shooting up white neighborhoods. ■■■■■■■ racist media …

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:17:39.066Z

SixFoot:

I wonder if libs even know how to think of a solution that doesn’t involve, “The government needs to make a law!”

Not just a law … a “common sense” law.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:18:37.147Z

Kelby:

TheRedComet:

Make a suggestion that doesn’t infringe on my right to keep and bear arms and we can discuss it.

Pistols, hunting rifles, shotguns…OK.

Assault rifles? No.

Where is that in the Constitution?

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T05:20:15.669Z

TheRedComet:

Not a single one of these restrictions would have stopped this most recent ■■■■ head. Except for his age. But oh wait, he could just go buy an M1A.

Hmmm…

SottoVoce:

Expand tax stamp to all “assault style” weapons with minimum age of 21.

How old was Salvador Ramos? Who bought the firearms he used?

Not “a single one” would have stopped it, except for the one that would have.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:23:21.807Z

Striker840:

Kelby:

TheRedComet:

Make a suggestion that doesn’t infringe on my right to keep and bear arms and we can discuss it.

Pistols, hunting rifles, shotguns…OK.

Assault rifles? No.

He didn’t use an “assault rifle”, just because it LOOKS scary and is black in color doesn’t make it an assault rifle.

Aww … Let them have their little fantasy. It’s not as dumb as most things they post about guns.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:25:12.217Z

Kelby:

TheRedComet:

AR-15s and other light weight semi-automatic rifles like civilian Kalashnikovs aren’t assault rifles. They lack selective fire capability. So the banning of assault rifles wouldn’t ban them anyway.

You’d be banning weapons that are already very difficult to get. Stuff like actual M16s, selective fire AKs, among others.

The Texas shooter walked into a gun store the day after his birthday and bought two AR-style rifles.

Used one days later to commit this carnage.

Hmmm … He must have passed the background check.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:27:21.474Z

Kelby:

I’ve owned several guns over my lifetime, never any that looked like these.

Only scary looking guns kill.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:30:42.404Z

Orygun:

zantax:

That’s the eleventh in developed country one.

I have no idea where they get their data but they count Switzerland as the 7th highest ranking for mass shootings. They haven’t had a mass shooting since 2001. Maybe a better link?

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

I know you struggle with math, but 2001 is in between 1998 and 2015.

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T05:36:07.073Z

Hmm… the study classified “children” as 19 years old and below. That’s interesting. They grouped children and adolescents together.

When you look at the rampant murder plaguing the inner cities… what are the age of the people doing the murder and being the victims of said murder?

Gangbangers mostly killing other gangbangers. The age ranges from 14 up to about 27 or 28 years old. Guys who make it that long tend to “age” out of street duty. But a signficant portion of them are under 20.

I wonder why that wasn’t brought up in the CDC report?

TheRedComet · 2022-05-27T05:37:49.154Z

Is the M1A an “assault style” weapon?

How do you even define an “assault style” weapon?

What about the Ruger Mini-14? Is that an assault style weapon?

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:40:56.354Z

PurpnGold:

Guvnah:

Conservative_frk:

What laws do we change?

Doesn’t matter.

The narrative is that we have to do SOMETHING. Even if it’s not actually going to have effect. And if you don’t agree, then you are complicit in the carnage.

Is the answer we do nothing?

No. First we lock secondary entry doors to schools, and then we start teaching our kids values and responsibility like we used to. Hopefully, we can eventually unlock those doors again.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:46:17.548Z

Orygun:

Guvnah:

When all you have is a hammer, every solution has to be a new gun law.

What new federal gun law? What was the last one in the last 25 years?

I do remember the AR ban sunsetting in 2004.

Do you remember ARs being banned?

SottoVoce · 2022-05-27T05:52:38.984Z

TheRedComet:

Hmm… the study classified “children” as 19 years old and below. That’s interesting. They grouped children and adolescents together.

When you look at the rampant murder plaguing the inner cities… what are the age of the people doing the murder and being the victims of said murder?

Gangbangers mostly killing other gangbangers. The age ranges from 14 up to about 27 or 28 years old. Guys who make it that long tend to “age” out of street duty. But a signficant portion of them are under 20.

I wonder why that wasn’t brought up in the CDC report?

That’s the spirit. Firearms are the leading cause of death in those 1-19 but question the use of “children” or make some weird reference to gangbangers. I guess it’s not so bad if an adolescent (age 10-19) dies from a firearm. That’s the argument?

If you are the age of 1-19 in this country, you are more likely to die of a bullet than literally anything else. Unbelievable people will find a way to be OK with it.

On the bright side, nothing proves a country’s right to keep and bear arms is alive and well than when firearms are the leading cause of it’s children and adolescent deaths.

Samm · 2022-05-27T05:53:49.085Z

Orygun:

WuWei:

I was agreeing with you.

Cool- lots of cops, lots of armed folks. And yet the shooter was given tons of time to complete his mission. Not sure how one armed guard would do better unless he was lucky.

Are you forgetting that the shooter is tugging on the door handle trying in vain to open it while the armed officer draws a bead on him?